I hate to say it but this stuff seems to work pretty well. I'm going to run another test in a few months to see if it was actually this supplement that made the difference or if it was just a placebo affect. I don't take any other supplements aside from a pre-workout occasionally and I do not take any PEDs. While taking this stuff all of my lifts went up by a minimum of 25lbs. I haven't seen much of an increase in any other department but my lifts are definitely benefiting. The scary thing is a week or two after finishing my s bottle my PR's stopped being so drastic and were a mere 5 to 10 lbs which isn't bad but nothing like the 25+ I was getting before.